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Jordan Peterson's Advice For Depression

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Here’s an interesting excerpt from a Jordan Peterson lecture in which he discusses depression. it’s pretty funny how obvious a lot of the solutions he proposes are. Get a job. Add structure to your life. Who would’ve thought!

http://www.brycelewis.com/jordan-peterson-depression/
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Here are some highlights -

1. find some friends, see if you can establish an intimate relationship, they are fundamental to life
2. lack of structure is a big cause of depression
3. another cause of depression is not having a job. having a job gives your life structure. lack of structure causes chaos which can lead to depression
4. it’s almost impossible for someone who has no job, no relationships, no friends, and health/addiction problems to dig themselves out of their hole
5. if you pay attention you can look at your life and notice things that need to be fixed that you can fix
6. don’t try to fix things you can’t fix
7. achieving small goals over and over again is very powerful
8. “Life can be meaningful enough to justify it’s suffering.”
9. You know when you’re doing meaningful things
10. You can find meaning in life by taking personal responsibility that the world moves
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Do you know anybody who's depressed? Would you try this? Do you think this is helpful?
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I have been thinking that psychology has failed us for several years until I heard Jordan Peterson. He is explaining the world and giving us a philosophy to live by using our religious traditions, philosophic traditions, history and science. I love how he criticizes the left and right and their ideologies, but at the same time points out how both sides are natural and necessary. This is crucial to healing the political war we are having today.
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Absolutely incredible discourse; I felt my mind doing back flips trying to absorb it. I guess it's time for me to try to get a job; but I've been living in the cave for so long I am not sure how to come out.
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Absolutely incredible discourse; I felt my mind doing back flips trying to absorb it. I guess it's time for me to try to get a job; but I've been living in the cave for so long I am not sure how to come out.
He is a phenomenal teacher!
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It is normal for a person to be in this world and to feel alienated and depressed. The abnormal are those who are acclimated to such a world. Don't look upon depression as something that is wrong with you, view it as a normal response from an intelligent being who can take stock of the world and their own existence. And don't defer to the opinion of so called experts. The best they can do is basic CBT. I would listen to Albert Ellis if you are so inclined, rather than an ideologue using psychoanalysis.
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The guy literally has his own YouTube channel where he uploads everything, yet that one is never in my recommendations and this stuff with all the music and such added is. Smh.
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I would find it odd that it's normal to feel alienated in a world that you came from. The normal response is to feel like you belong since you are quite literally a part of that very world. I wouldn't encourage alienation, it's not something to romanticize like you are.
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It is normal for a person to be in this world and to feel alienated and depressed. The abnormal are those who are acclimated to such a world. Don't look upon depression as something that is wrong with you, view it as a normal response from an intelligent being who can take stock of the world and their own existence. And don't defer to the opinion of so called experts. The best they can do is basic CBT. I would listen to Albert Ellis if you are so inclined, rather than an ideologue using psychoanalysis.
Don't mistake depression with sadness and anxiety, though.
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I can't speak for everybody but let me tell you, that the moment you turn the darkness into daybreak you don't want to go back anymore. Some people cling on to the wrong things in life maybe out of fear or out of pure lazyness. It isn't normal to feel alienated and depressed and if you feel that way because society made you, you are either a rather weak human being or you decided to feel that way. There are ways to get out of the darkness if you want to.
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As someone who was forced on antidepressants as a teen, I spent 19 years being put on over 28 different psychotropic medications. I have actually tried almost every drug. I worry kids will hear him say 'try taking pills and it may be better' without understanding what this rocket fuel (yes, research how SSRI's are made) does to your body and your brain. It's been hell trying to get off SSRI's. They didn't treat a chemical imbalance; they caused one. My body and brain are so deregulated from almost 2 decades on that stuff that I don't know if I will ever heal. Be very cautious when someone tells you to take a pill and in a month it can work or it won't. I went down that rabbit hole for over half of my life and I will never get those years back.
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I like tip no. 5 and 6 ... It's really important to focus on the things we can fix and accept the things we can't so we can make progress, which will in turn help us feel better about ourselves and our lives. :)
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From my observation (I’m no expert by any means so take what I say with a tiny grain of salt) depression alongside with hatred, is a sort of cycle. It will usually start off small, we will put the cause of the dark thoughts in the back of our minds and allow our unconscious to deal with it which in turn makes it worse. And this is where catharsis, confession, forgiveness or just talking to someone would help slow down or stop the cycle all together but because the feeling of validation for depression is powerful we choose to repress these feelings. In doing so the cycle now gains some speed. As we will purposely go out and look for reasons to stay in this depressed state, feeding the self destructive cycle even more. Eventually giving us tunnel vision so to speak in which we will do nothing but seek out validation for our nihilism at this point. We can justify our unproductive state by blaming our depression. Here now lies a double edged blade, where the one suffering from depression wants help and to be understood but is unbearable to be around so help doesn’t come. And those who want to offer help feel pushed away and become impatient and eventually leave thus validating even more of this depressed cycle to the one suffering it. Now with the cycle at full spin it reaches at critical point in which one will seek to cause depression to others which is the most dangerous point. Wether this be done through suicide to end the pain or to extinguish joy all around them. And in doing so spreading the cycle of depression to others. Sorry for this long post I just want us to understand how this grows and how it’s encouraged in a way from my perspective. In explaining all this, I believe that two parties must come together to help stop these cycles. First off we (the individual) must accept and grow from suffering presented in life. There is always something good in a bad situation. We cannot learn unless we fail at first, so take the failures with excitement as learning opportunities. Mistakes are life’s greatness teachers I say. The second party being the outsiders. We must be patient and understand where someone is coming from. After all they have been through we must remain resilient and always be on standby to help them. It won’t be easy but it will tend to be worth it. Besides each of us would want someone standing by our side in our time of need so let’s be there for others. I would go in to more detail but I feel I’ve gone far enough and don’t wish to waste people’s time. A lot of these observation were inspired by my personal experience coping with my depression, lectures and readings from Jordan Peterson himself and some from Carl Jung. I have much more to learn an just wished to highlight some of my personal thoughts and hope a couple people find use in my rambling.
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As someone who was forced on antidepressants as a teen, I spent 19 years being put on over 28 different psychotropic medications. I have actually tried almost every drug. I worry kids will hear him say 'try taking pills and it may be better' without understanding what this rocket fuel (yes, research how SSRI's are made) does to your body and your brain. It's been hell trying to get off SSRI's. They didn't treat a chemical imbalance; they caused one. My body and brain are so deregulated from almost 2 decades on that stuff that I don't know if I will ever heal. Be very cautious when someone tells you to take a pill and in a month it can work or it won't. I went down that rabbit hole for over half of my life and I will never get those years back.
Anti-depressants only fix the symptoms. most depression is because of fixable reason. sometimes anti depressants are required biologically.
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As someone who was forced on antidepressants as a teen, I spent 19 years being put on over 28 different psychotropic medications. I have actually tried almost every drug. I worry kids will hear him say 'try taking pills and it may be better' without understanding what this rocket fuel (yes, research how SSRI's are made) does to your body and your brain. It's been hell trying to get off SSRI's. They didn't treat a chemical imbalance; they caused one. My body and brain are so deregulated from almost 2 decades on that stuff that I don't know if I will ever heal. Be very cautious when someone tells you to take a pill and in a month it can work or it won't. I went down that rabbit hole for over half of my life and I will never get those years back.
I've seen depression destroy people. I've seen alcohol kill people. Should we deny antidepressants because 1 person has been destroyed by them, even though on the other hand 1000 people have got their lives back?

SSRIs are pretty weak class of meds compared to common drugs and alcohol. I know some people who haven't tried any drug - love to exaggerate the power of ssri's to such extent so that they can give up trying and say""'I've tried everything"" so as to shift blame on external factors, or their depression being so bad that it justifies giving up, which justifies their lack of trying, their lack of success and life of a failure.

If SSRIs destroy someone, then something is not right with them, because it's such a weak ass class of drugs. It's exactly what some people need, but compared to any other drug it's barely above placebo. If ssri's really were so bad for them, i can only imagine what alcohol would do to them then. Or adderall, ritalin or benzodiazepines. All of these would have""destroyed"" their lives.

In reality - It simply lets these skeptics to shift blame of their destroyed lives on to the medication rather than pinpoint it on their own faults and ssri's being simply correlation, not causation. Also, people who benefit from ssri's - dont go on forums and spam about how great their lives are, they simply go on with their lives. But the ones getting worse spend their entire miserable days shit posting how Prozac was worse than heroin for them or post about their 'severe' withdrawal and scary brain zaps, even though caffeine withdrawal would be worse than this.
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